Re: hard drive problem

Re: hard drive problem

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Posted by Henry on January 06, 2002 at 17:23:03:

In Reply to: Re: hard drive problem posted by colin on January 05, 2002 at 17:54:12:

: Only the truth hurts Henry, why are you getting all steamed up, what possible detriment could it be to your unerring technical expertise, if I am wrong. Lets face it every one can be wrong, I resorted to CAPS to respond to your tantrum, now if you only new about 'ego states' and the child to child response.........still, you can't know everything, can you.
: I think you showed your clarity of mind and exactness when you pontificated about low formatting and you have the unmittigated cheek to say I am wrong, no-one was ever more so and your advice on that occasion was potentially ruinuous to peoples hardware. Dont be so quick off the mark pal, 'people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'.

If you are referring to my posts regarding "pseudo low level formatting", YOU were DEAD WRONG about that, too and I will continue to offer that advice where it is appropriate.

I shouldn't have to explain it to you, but pseudo means false and I chose to use the word pseudo because most HDD makers post what they call "low level format" utilities such as "wipe", "erase", "zerofill", "sgatfmt4", "llfutil" and others on their web sites. As an example, check out the descriptions of Maxtor's PWRDIAG.EXE, LLFUTIL.EXE, LXTUTIL.EXE and MXTUTIL.EXE at:

(click Product Support, click Software & Utilities, click Utility Library and read the program descriptions)

Those utilities named above are not formatters in any sense of the word - they write zeroes to the usable sectors of the drive - nothing more and they DO NOT DAMAGE Maxtor HDDs. Actually, HDD makers are now including their "low level format" function in a comprehensive diagnostic package that supports HDDs larger than 8.4 GB; some are trending away from calling it LLF. I think the so called "low level format" utilities are misnamed because they DO NOT FORMAT they merely write zeroes to every usable sector of the drive, effectively erasing all of the usable information on it (same for the LLF functions in the diagnostic package). That is they erase, wipe, zerofill, llf and other names but they DO NOT FORMAT and they DO NOT DAMAGE HDDs. Think about it. Would any HDD maker post a FREE utility they know would harm their warranted products? They wouldn't (deliberately) but they have been posting "LLF" utilities for years and they work and they DO NOT DAMAGE the maker's products.

All said and done, I doubt that a TRUE IDE low level format program is available outside the HDD maker's shops and certainly it is not available to the general public or even local computer geeks (Spinrite as a format booster maybe?) but I'd sure like to experiment with a TRUE LLF program if I could find a free one.

I think it is a waste of words to caution folks not to do what they couldn't possibly do anyway - and folks can't get a TRUE IDE low level format program even if they want one.

Hope this clears up some of your apparent confusion.


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